Dear Luis and all, With respect to the discussion related to the implicit/explicit patent grant, we share the opinion of Orange expressed by Robert Sarrazin. Indeed, from a legal point of view, IPRs can only be used by an implementer if they have been expressly granted. Furthermore, to let each partner choose the legal notice it prefers -as suggested in your e.mail - does not seem to be workable. If the IPRs holders of a specification do not agree concerning the notice choice -as is already the case-, then we will be facing a deadlock. We also agree that the definition of "essential patents" should be strictly restricted to the patents for which no technical alternative exists to avoid infringement. As expressed some weeks ago, we confirm that we are in favour of FRAND conditions for the license under patents. FRAND conditions do not exclude the possibility to grant patents royalty-free. We do not question the royalty-free condition when relating to the specification which only requires a copyright license. But the royalty-free condition should not apply automatically when it relates to the implementation of the specification requiring the use of patents. Finally, you have not taken into account our requests regarding the mentioning of the applicable law and the settlement of disputes which are common clauses in a contract. Best regards, Patricia BEDOUI Legal Counsel Thales Communications & Security SAS 4, Avenue des Louvresses 92622 GENNEVILLIERS cedex Tel. : +33(0)1 46 13 34 30 Fax : +33(0)1 46 13 21 92 The present message is only intended for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. The information contained therein may be confidential or privileged and its disclosure or reproduction is strictly forbidden. If you have received this communication in error, please return it immediately to its sender and destroy it. De : fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu]<mailto:[mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu]> De la part de LUIS GARCIA GARCIA Envoyé : jeudi 16 mai 2013 15:49 À : fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu> Objet : [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL NOTICE Dear all, Find enclosed two drafts of the Legal Notices (explicit and implicit) for the FIWARE Open Specifications (each partner will choose the one it prefers). We have tried to include most of the compatible comments received from you. Thanks for your inputs¡ Accordingly with the FI-WARE Project roadmap, we need to conclude now the final "legal notice" Our intention is to consider these drafts as "final" ; notwithstanding, if you consider that something "essential" needs to be included (or any typo), please let us know before next Wednesday 22nd. To simplify the study of this new versions of the Legal Notice, we have included some explanatory notes about the changes introduced (not about all the comments received) No modifications have been introduced affecting the Royalty free character of this Legal Notice. This RF nature is in the essence of this project and in accordance with the FI-WARE Grant Agreement and Consortium Agreement and cannot be a matter of discussion. It's a very fundamental principle of this project that was agreed even at proposal preparation time (i.e., 3 years ago). Looking forward to hearing from you. Best regards Luis García García Asesoria Jurídica // Legal Department Tfnos: +34 914832614 // +34913129666 Telefónica Investigación y Desarrollo, S.A.Unipersonal DISTRITO C- Edificio Oeste 1, 6ª planta Ronda de la Comunicación s/n 28050-Madrid (España) [cid:image001.png at 01CE5738.9B516170] ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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