[Fiware-opencall-help] FIWARE-LAB-OPEN-CALL-2015: depreciation and leasing

[Federico Michele Facca]

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Miguel Vidal <mvidal at flossystems.com>
wrote:

> Thank you all for your help! We have just submitted the proposal.
>
> The staff of FLOSSystems remains at your disposal for whatever further
> inquiries the Fi-Core consortium may have regarding our proposal.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --m
>
>
> On 09/11/15 17:52, Miguel Vidal wrote:
> > On 09/11/15 13:54, Federico Michele Facca wrote:
> >> Dear Miguel,
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Miguel Vidal <mvidal at flossystems.com
> >> <mailto:mvidal at flossystems.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>     Thanks, Fernando.
> >>
> >>     In FLOSSystems, our normal practices are renting hardware and
> datacenter
> >>     services (mainly colocation and network).
> >>
> >>     According to Financial Guidelines, page 67:
> >>
> >>     “Operational leasing (renting): in this case, there is no
> possibility to
> >>     buy the equipment.
> >>
> >>     There is no depreciation involved (as the item is still the
> property of
> >>     the leasing firm) but the costs are eligible if this follows the
> >>     beneficiary's normal practices and does not exceed the costs of
> purchase
> >>     of the equipment.”
> >>
> >>
> >>     How can we justify that renting does not exceed the costs of
> purchase of
> >>     the equipment? We don’t know purchase of the equipment costs because
> >>     they are hidden for us.
> >>
> >>
> >> why not? if rent a dell xxx model, you should be able to know also the
> >> purchase cost.
> >> i.e., you should be able to ask the company making you the offer (or
> >> alternative providers) to provide
> >> cost of purchase as comparison as well.
> >>
> >
> > Because in our case the renting service is a "package" (including
> > networking equipment, electrical supply, rack space, and hardware
> > itself) and the cost of each item is unknown and we don’t know if our
> > provider will disclose to us. Must we break down cost of each item or it
> > may be considered part of the equipment purchase?
> >
> > According to Financial Guide (page 31), it's not clear:
> >
> > “Sometimes the purchase of equipment or consumables is associated with
> > the provision of a service. Depending on the nature of the services
> > provided, they may be considered subcontracts or part of the equipment
> > purchase. If the service is part of the "package" of equipment purchase
> > then it will be considered to be part of the equipment purchase."
> >
> > We’re concerned about not be able to justify renting costs exceeding the
> > costs of purchase equipment due to our renting costs include more items
> > than hardware itself, like networking equipment, electrical supply, and
> > rack space (colocation).
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --m
> >
>
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