dear juanjo, i was not intending you were hideing something by intention, apologises. no i was only trying to better understand this email a bit coming from nowere, only having your feelings. ciao, stefano 2012/10/22 Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es> > Hi Stefano, > > What you say is true but I wanted to provide Arian an answer that were > consistent with what he understands is the PCC, and its responsibilities, > according to the DoW. We didn't know what Arian was actually looking for, > so we preferred to respond carefully. > > Looking at the DoW, I found that what is described there as work of the > PCC has been actually split between what is being addressed in the joint > WPLs/WPAs follow-up confcalls and what is being addressed in what we use to > refer internally as "PCC meetings". This is not an issue from my > perspective, because it can easily be explained saying that the PCC has two > kind of global coordination meetings, that way allowing each meeting to be > attended by different representatives from each company depending on the > matters being addressed. But all this has to be explained properly. > > The provided answer describes what we are actually doing in a way that > is consistent with the DoW. I wanted to avoid any criticism that may come > from Arian if we didn't look consistent. On the other hand, I wanted to > take the opportunity to show him that the project has tools and proper > coordination instruments in place. > > The reason why I strongly recommend you to read it is because we should > all be able to provide the same answer if asked separately. I wouldn't > like us to fall in any contradiction if we are asked. > > Nothing else. No specific strange/Machiavellian reason to hide. > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > ------------- > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital > website: www.tid.es > email: jhierro at tid.es > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro > > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect > > You can follow FI-WARE at: > website: http://www.fi-ware.eu > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware > linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 21/10/12 23:37, stefano de panfilis wrote: > > dear juanjo (only to you and pcc), > > he asked for the plan of future meetings of the pcc only while you reply > with the overall strategy of the project coordination. > > this is also good, but i do not understand why you did that way. any > specific reason we do not know and we should? > > ciao, > stefano > > > > 2012/10/21 Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es> > >> Dear all, >> >> Arian Zwegers asked us for meetings about the PCC in the following 3-4 >> months ... therefore we have sent to him the attached response clarifying >> how PCC activities (as described in the DoW) are organized and how the >> different meetings for coordination of FI-WARE activities are organized. >> We forward our response to you for overall alignment. >> >> Note that the PCC, as stated in the DoW, carry out activities that we >> have split into two different kind of meetings (besides meetings linked to >> Task Forces whenever they are created) for obvious practical reasons: >> >> - Global Technical Coordination Activities: these map to our weekly >> joint WPLs/WPAs confcalls called and discussion driven through the >> fiware-wpl and fiware-wpa mailing lists. >> - Global Administrative/Strategic Coordination Activities: these map >> to meetings called and discussion driven through the fiware-pcc mailing >> list. >> >> All this is explained in detail in the email sent to Arian that I would >> strongly recommend to read. >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- Juanjo >> >> ------------- >> Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital >> website: www.tid.es >> email: jhierro at tid.es >> twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro >> >> FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect >> >> You can follow FI-WARE at: >> website: http://www.fi-ware.eu >> facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 >> twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware >> linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: FI-WARE PCC meetings Date: >> Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:44:50 +0200 From: Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es><jhierro at tid.es> To: >> Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu CC: jimenez at tid.es, mcp at tid.es, "jhierro >> >> \"Juan J. Hierro\"" <jhierro at tid.es> <jhierro at tid.es> >> >> Dear Arian, >> >> Sorry for the delay in responding to this. Honestly speaking, it got >> forgotten ... so thanks for the reminder. >> >> According to the DoW, the PCC takes care of the technical overall >> management of the activities and in particular: >> >> 1. Approving major technical decisions and the definition of the >> technical roadmap of the Project; >> 2. reviewing plans and activities of each WP in the Project, together >> with the corresponding WPLs; >> 3. reviewing the overall quality of WP and deliverables; >> 4. making proposals to the GA for allocating the Project's budget in >> accordance with the CA, reviewing and proposing budget reallocations to the >> Parties; >> 5. making proposals to the GA about Defaults in obligations by any >> Party so that the GA can take an informed decision; >> 6. proposing to the General Assembly the plan for using and >> disseminating the Foreground in accordance with the CA, including proposals >> for IPR development; >> 7. consideration of input from other PPP projects (CSA, UA) and >> decision on implementation. It is recognized that input from the UA is >> crucial for the technical work and every effort should be made to accept >> those proposals. In the rare special cases when no clear technical decision >> at the Architecture Board is achieved, the GA will re-consider those >> special cases with due regard to the PPP programme’s overall success. >> 8. proposing to the GA procedures and tools for the marking and >> handling of information exchanged between Parties in the performance of the >> Project; and evaluating opportunities for co-operation with other projects, >> outside the PPP, and proposing to the General Assembly that it proposes to >> the Parties that they enter into a Project Co-operation Agreement; >> 9. generating, updating and distributing to the Parties, a schedule >> of proposed meetings of committees of standards organisations relevant for >> the potential submission of Foreground as standards proposals. >> >> >> Besides, it is also mentioned in the DoW that the PCC holds two type of >> meetings: >> >> - Global coordination meetings, to consider general project aspects. >> - Specific meetings to follow-up progress of a specific WP. Those >> meetings will not require the presence of the full PCC but will be attended >> by the WPL and those people designated by the WPL. >> >> >> The way in which all this is implemented in FI-WARE is that Global >> Coordination meetings are splitted in two: >> >> - Global technical coordination meetings devoted to follow-up >> technical process of the whole FI-WARE project systematically take place >> every week or every two-weeks depending of the period. Since more or less >> May, we are meeting every week. These meetings involve the WPLs and WPAs >> of every WP and there, we take care of points 1, 2, 3, 7 and 9 of the list >> above. Also Axel Fasse attends these meetings despite he is not a WPL as >> such (Uwe Riss is the WPL of WP3). This is because his role supporting >> overall coordination. >> - Global administrative/strategic coordination meetings take place >> whenever this is required. However experience demonstrates that there is >> no more than one month and half time between two consecutive meetings, >> sometimes several in one month. We take care of points 4, 5, 6 and 8 of >> the list above. These meetings also involve the WPLs of every WP, despite >> in this case we agreed that it would be companies leading a WP, instead of >> the WPL who attend these meetings. This was to allow that a more senior >> executive participates instead of the WPL himself. As an example, Axel >> Fasse from SAP, Yaron Wolfsthal from IBM or Nuria de Lama from ATOS attend >> this meeting (though Alex Glikson, WPL of Cloud uses to attend as well >> these meetings). >> >> >> Besides, specific meetings are derived from Global Technical >> Coordination or Global Administrative/Strategic meetings, which do not >> necessarily have to involve all WPLs/WPAs and many times requires >> participation of some experts on the matter. We typically refer to them >> as "Task Forces". Some examples are: >> >> - meetings to deal with a specific technical issue (e.g., how to >> coordinate definition of NGSI-related issues) >> - meetings to deal with specific coordination of some project >> activity (e.g., meeting to coordinate/follow-up delivery of some concrete >> deliverables) >> - meetings to deal with some specific administrative/strategic >> coordination activity (e.g., reaching consensus about a single FI-WARE >> Legal Notice for FI-WARE Open Specifications) >> >> >> Communication regarding the two types of Global Coordination meetings >> take place through different mailing lists because people are not the same >> (although many of them are in both). While communication regarding Global >> Technical Coordination flows through the ordinary WPLs and WPAs mailing >> lists, i.e., fiware-wpl and fiware-wpa mailing lists, communication >> regarding Global Administrative/Strategic Coordination flows through a >> mailing list named fiware-pcc. Very detailed minutes are derived from >> each of these meetings. Recently, regarding minutes of the Global >> Technical Coordination meetings, we have decided to send minutes directly >> to the consortia the day after each of the joint WPLs/WPAs meeting to >> accelerate communication and stimulate awareness about APs taken. >> >> >> Some of these specific meetings become permanent and lead to creation >> of a specific mailing list where discussion takes place at regular >> intervals (e.g., there is a specific fiware-ngsi mailing list dealing with >> discussion of NGSI-related topics, relevant to several WPs) >> >> Besides this, each WP has a weekly meeting and I attend some of them to >> have a more close look at what is going on. >> >> Hope this summary helps. If you have further questions, don't >> hesitate to ask. Of course, if you have any feedback, it will be rather >> welcome. >> >> Best regards, >> >> -- Juanjo >> >> ------------- >> Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital >> website: www.tid.es >> email: jhierro at tid.es >> twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro >> >> FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect >> >> You can follow FI-WARE at: >> website: http://www.fi-ware.eu >> facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 >> twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware >> linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 >> >> On 20/10/12 16:04, Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu wrote: >> >> Any response? >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Miguel Carrillo [mailto:mcp at tid.es <mcp at tid.es>] >> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2012 5:36 PM >> *To:* ZWEGERS Arian (CNECT) >> *Cc:* JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA; JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO >> *Subject:* Re: FI-WARE PCC meetings >> >> >> >> Dear Arian, >> >> I CC Juanjo and Jose who are the ones who best can answer this question >> because they are part of the PCC. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Miguel >> >> El 15/10/2012 16:05, Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu escribió: >> >> Dear Miguel, >> >> >> >> Is there a schedule for the FI-WARE PCC meeting? >> >> According to the DoW, the PCC meets regularly every month, either >> physically or virtually, and works continuously between the meetings via >> e-mail, chat and audio/video conferences. >> >> What are the planned PCC meetings for the next 3-4 months? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Arian. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _/ _/_/ Miguel Carrillo Pacheco >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ Telefónica Distrito Telefónica >> >> _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ Investigación y Edifico Oeste 1, Planta 9 >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ Desarrollo Ronda de la Comunicación S/N >> >> _/ _/_/ 28050 Madrid (Spain) >> >> Tel: (+34) 91 483 26 77 >> >> >> >> e-mail: mcp at tid.es >> >> >> >> Follow FI-WARE on the net >> >> >> >> Website: http://www.fi-ware.eu >> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Fiware >> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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