Hi Juanjo, I am fully with you here, particularly also with respect to quality and support (to the same level as we are applying it to FIWARE, of course!). An yes, we have talked about this many time, what I am missing is some action :-). Why not send an official offer to the UCs right now. I know that there are some potential GEs that are more than willing to start working with FIWARE right away. We can collect a list, prioritize, and start with a few as guinea pigs to get the process of the ground and gather some experience instead of continue doing more "paper work" (some of that is required, do not get me wrong, but at the end "show me the code (results)" is a key motto in open source and we can still adapt as we go). The UCs will not be around much longer. Yes, ideally thing should just continue as is but we all know that a large disruption of no longer having a working relation ship will influence things. So setting up some other structure (not necessarily funded) is important to smooth the step and create bridges. I agree also that some of the content SEs are more suited as GEs (some of them could actually be integrated nicely into the existing GEs). I am not so sure about the separation of SEs from FIWARE. I actually believe that one of the biggest issues of the FI-PPP is exactly this separation. If we had had a more tight integration between the UCs and FIWARE a lot more and better results would have been possible. Maybe this can be organized in other ways as well. But this is certainly something that can be discussed. Best, Philipp Am 22.05.2015 um 16:20 schrieb Juanjo Hierro: > Importing enablers developed in Use Case projects as FIWARE GEs > require that they enter the incubation process we are defining. I > believe that we have talked about this many times. > > The decision about the transition from an incubated GE to FIWARE GE > will be governed by the FIWARE TC although we plan to make it a > transparent process. Note that we will introduce some assessment > regarding sustainability. As an example, we were thinking in ideas > like integrating organizations committing to support incubated GEs in > the Help Desk system so that we can assess their performance responding > issues raised by the community. We will also ask for publicly > available statements about commitment as well as commercial plans. > > It has been a big effort and depuration of the FIWARE GEs catalogue to > end with a comprehensive set of FIWARE GEs that have a relevant > commercial support. We cannot lower the level of ambition/demand on > new GEs. > > Of course, a different course of action can be taken for SEs. There > I believe things can actually be more flexible. My personal opinion > here is that development in specific domains should be placed in the > hands of organizations who can drive/lead the take up of FIWARE in the > domains. In other words, implement some short of delegation. Of > course, overall coherence should be monitored (e.g., avoid that enablers > that may be considered generic and even overlap with existing FIWARE > GEs, or even incubated GEs, start to be developed in a given domain > without doing anything). A good example would be the CSC-OASC in the > domain of Smart Cities. Note that I don't believe that some > content-related enablers should be considered SEs. Enablers supporting > Content Management/Processing/Analysis can be mostly considered generic > enablers and I see then clear candidates for the incubation process. > > A last work about SEs: they would be searchable in the FIWARE > Catalogue (you can see this has been taken into consideration in the > current version in production). But they won't be FIWARE Generic > Enablers. I wouldn't even use the label "FIWARE" to qualify them. I > would use the name of the domain (e.g., "Smart Cities SE" or "eHealth SE") > > I hope we are on the same page. > > Cheers, > > -- Juanjo > > On 22/05/15 07:36, Philipp Slusallek wrote: >> Hi Stefano, >> >> Excellent, I am looking forward to it. >> >> BTW, sorry, if I am raising the topic of UC collaboration repeatedly. >> But from what I have seen, we are wasting a lot of potential by not >> integrating the already existing FI-PPP partners as well as we should >> (of course only where they are willing and prepared -- at least some of >> them really are!). Those that are interesting (from my perspective) had >> to (also) look for alternative strategies as there was no clear offer >> from FIWARE on the table. >> >> Instead of waiting to set up the overall structure for external >> partners, we should already be moving forward, trailblaze, and evaluate >> with the existing partners the processes we plan to set in place. >> >> Just for example FIcontent (as I am most familier with it): There is a >> lot of feedback and experience in FIcontent trying to set up their >> FIC2-Lab within the context of FIWARE-Lab (e.g. also including Docker). >> Both their Web-Based Developer Playground for real-time >> editing/running/sharing via social networks of GE/SE usage examples or >> their One-Click deployment of entire arrangements of GEs/SEs (via >> Docker) is something that would be very interesting also for FIWARE. We >> should -- at least -- be talking to them about that and planning if and >> how we can take on board the best of those ideas. >> >> I am missing this discussion being driven be FIWARE. However, we must >> ensure that any such integration is based on an equal playing field. >> >> FIcontent has sent to Juanjo an email requesting such closer >> collaboration, suggesting setting up some direkt links and discussion of >> the way forward. I very much hope that we as FIWARE will be engaging here. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Philipp >> >> P.S.: For full disclosure, I am involved in FIcontent and (to a much >> lesser degree) in FITMAN and have co-signed the FIC2 letter to Juanjo. >> >> >> Am 21.05.2015 um 15:55 schrieb stefano de panfilis: >>> Dear philipp, >>> >>> sorry your email lost in the thread.... >>> >>> as said by joel yesterday was the first interaction with uc projects >>> and, as an outcome of the meeting, it was agreed us to communicate the >>> plan we intend to follow to publish and launch the fiware oss community. >>> >>> this way they can contribute if they wish. >>> it is expected to communicate the plan at the very most tomorrow. >>> >>> ciao, >>> stefano >>> >>> 2015-05-20 15:37 GMT+02:00 <joel.riga at orange.com >>> <mailto:joel.riga at orange.com>>: >>> >>> Dear Philipp, >>> >>> Yesterday was the first interaction with other projects (including >>> usecase projects ? Stefano could tell us I think). >>> >>> Joel >>> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : Philipp Slusallek [mailto:philipp.slusallek at dfki.de >>> <mailto:philipp.slusallek at dfki.de>] >>> Envoyé : mercredi 20 mai 2015 13:31 >>> À : RIGA Joel IMT/OLPS >>> Cc : Fiware-sust-found at lists.fi-ware.org >>> <mailto:Fiware-sust-found at lists.fi-ware.org> >>> Objet : Re: [Fiware-sust-found] Fiware Community principles >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Quick question: To what degree has have these plans be communicated >>> and coordinated with the use-case projects yet? >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Philipp >>> >>> Am 20.05.2015 um 11:36 schrieb joel.riga at orange.com >>> <mailto:joel.riga at orange.com>: >>> > Dear all, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Please find (finally) the document that have been showed yesterday in >>> > Brussels during a meeting concerning Sustainability (cross projects). >>> > The next coming phase is to take your remarks and expectation into >>> > account so that we can be aligned before the creation of such a >>> > community. 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