dear philipp, last week during the sustainability ws all the uc projects where present and represented by their coordinators. we agreed to send them a calendar of actions which includes also providing by them feedback on the fiware open source community governance model we are drafting and which i presented at the workshop. this calendar will be, at the very latest, communicated to them during the fi-ppp sb this week (28 may). i hope it will be communicated, by juanjo (?), monday after our wpl confcall. ciao, stefano 2015-05-24 22:53 GMT+02:00 Philipp Slusallek <philipp.slusallek at dfki.de>: > Hi Juanjo, > > I am fully with you here, particularly also with respect to quality and > support (to the same level as we are applying it to FIWARE, of course!). > An yes, we have talked about this many time, what I am missing is some > action :-). > > Why not send an official offer to the UCs right now. I know that there > are some potential GEs that are more than willing to start working with > FIWARE right away. We can collect a list, prioritize, and start with a > few as guinea pigs to get the process of the ground and gather some > experience instead of continue doing more "paper work" (some of that is > required, do not get me wrong, but at the end "show me the code > (results)" is a key motto in open source and we can still adapt as we go). > > The UCs will not be around much longer. Yes, ideally thing should just > continue as is but we all know that a large disruption of no longer > having a working relation ship will influence things. So setting up some > other structure (not necessarily funded) is important to smooth the step > and create bridges. > > I agree also that some of the content SEs are more suited as GEs (some > of them could actually be integrated nicely into the existing GEs). I am > not so sure about the separation of SEs from FIWARE. I actually believe > that one of the biggest issues of the FI-PPP is exactly this separation. > If we had had a more tight integration between the UCs and FIWARE a lot > more and better results would have been possible. > > Maybe this can be organized in other ways as well. But this is certainly > something that can be discussed. > > > Best, > > Philipp > > Am 22.05.2015 um 16:20 schrieb Juanjo Hierro: > > Importing enablers developed in Use Case projects as FIWARE GEs > > require that they enter the incubation process we are defining. I > > believe that we have talked about this many times. > > > > The decision about the transition from an incubated GE to FIWARE GE > > will be governed by the FIWARE TC although we plan to make it a > > transparent process. Note that we will introduce some assessment > > regarding sustainability. As an example, we were thinking in ideas > > like integrating organizations committing to support incubated GEs in > > the Help Desk system so that we can assess their performance responding > > issues raised by the community. We will also ask for publicly > > available statements about commitment as well as commercial plans. > > > > It has been a big effort and depuration of the FIWARE GEs catalogue to > > end with a comprehensive set of FIWARE GEs that have a relevant > > commercial support. We cannot lower the level of ambition/demand on > > new GEs. > > > > Of course, a different course of action can be taken for SEs. There > > I believe things can actually be more flexible. My personal opinion > > here is that development in specific domains should be placed in the > > hands of organizations who can drive/lead the take up of FIWARE in the > > domains. In other words, implement some short of delegation. Of > > course, overall coherence should be monitored (e.g., avoid that enablers > > that may be considered generic and even overlap with existing FIWARE > > GEs, or even incubated GEs, start to be developed in a given domain > > without doing anything). A good example would be the CSC-OASC in the > > domain of Smart Cities. Note that I don't believe that some > > content-related enablers should be considered SEs. Enablers supporting > > Content Management/Processing/Analysis can be mostly considered generic > > enablers and I see then clear candidates for the incubation process. > > > > A last work about SEs: they would be searchable in the FIWARE > > Catalogue (you can see this has been taken into consideration in the > > current version in production). But they won't be FIWARE Generic > > Enablers. I wouldn't even use the label "FIWARE" to qualify them. I > > would use the name of the domain (e.g., "Smart Cities SE" or "eHealth > SE") > > > > I hope we are on the same page. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- Juanjo > > > > On 22/05/15 07:36, Philipp Slusallek wrote: > >> Hi Stefano, > >> > >> Excellent, I am looking forward to it. > >> > >> BTW, sorry, if I am raising the topic of UC collaboration repeatedly. > >> But from what I have seen, we are wasting a lot of potential by not > >> integrating the already existing FI-PPP partners as well as we should > >> (of course only where they are willing and prepared -- at least some of > >> them really are!). Those that are interesting (from my perspective) had > >> to (also) look for alternative strategies as there was no clear offer > >> from FIWARE on the table. > >> > >> Instead of waiting to set up the overall structure for external > >> partners, we should already be moving forward, trailblaze, and evaluate > >> with the existing partners the processes we plan to set in place. > >> > >> Just for example FIcontent (as I am most familier with it): There is a > >> lot of feedback and experience in FIcontent trying to set up their > >> FIC2-Lab within the context of FIWARE-Lab (e.g. also including Docker). > >> Both their Web-Based Developer Playground for real-time > >> editing/running/sharing via social networks of GE/SE usage examples or > >> their One-Click deployment of entire arrangements of GEs/SEs (via > >> Docker) is something that would be very interesting also for FIWARE. We > >> should -- at least -- be talking to them about that and planning if and > >> how we can take on board the best of those ideas. > >> > >> I am missing this discussion being driven be FIWARE. However, we must > >> ensure that any such integration is based on an equal playing field. > >> > >> FIcontent has sent to Juanjo an email requesting such closer > >> collaboration, suggesting setting up some direkt links and discussion of > >> the way forward. I very much hope that we as FIWARE will be engaging > here. > >> > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Philipp > >> > >> P.S.: For full disclosure, I am involved in FIcontent and (to a much > >> lesser degree) in FITMAN and have co-signed the FIC2 letter to Juanjo. > >> > >> > >> Am 21.05.2015 um 15:55 schrieb stefano de panfilis: > >>> Dear philipp, > >>> > >>> sorry your email lost in the thread.... > >>> > >>> as said by joel yesterday was the first interaction with uc projects > >>> and, as an outcome of the meeting, it was agreed us to communicate the > >>> plan we intend to follow to publish and launch the fiware oss > community. > >>> > >>> this way they can contribute if they wish. > >>> it is expected to communicate the plan at the very most tomorrow. > >>> > >>> ciao, > >>> stefano > >>> > >>> 2015-05-20 15:37 GMT+02:00 <joel.riga at orange.com > >>> <mailto:joel.riga at orange.com>>: > >>> > >>> Dear Philipp, > >>> > >>> Yesterday was the first interaction with other projects (including > >>> usecase projects ? Stefano could tell us I think). > >>> > >>> Joel > >>> > >>> -----Message d'origine----- > >>> De : Philipp Slusallek [mailto:philipp.slusallek at dfki.de > >>> <mailto:philipp.slusallek at dfki.de>] > >>> Envoyé : mercredi 20 mai 2015 13:31 > >>> À : RIGA Joel IMT/OLPS > >>> Cc : Fiware-sust-found at lists.fi-ware.org > >>> <mailto:Fiware-sust-found at lists.fi-ware.org> > >>> Objet : Re: [Fiware-sust-found] Fiware Community principles > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Quick question: To what degree has have these plans be communicated > >>> and coordinated with the use-case projects yet? > >>> > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Philipp > >>> > >>> Am 20.05.2015 um 11:36 schrieb joel.riga at orange.com > >>> <mailto:joel.riga at orange.com>: > >>> > Dear all, > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Please find (finally) the document that have been showed > yesterday in > >>> > Brussels during a meeting concerning Sustainability (cross > projects). > >>> > The next coming phase is to take your remarks and expectation > into > >>> > account so that we can be aligned before the creation of such a > >>> > community. 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