Hi everyone, Unfortunately, the PO has responded negatively to our request to relax the rule that was limiting the funding of DIHs to 18 K€ in total. Looking towards preparation of the review of the project, we should not forget to run a survey with DIHs that will summit to get a clear statement from them that the rule established prevented them to prepare multiple applications. This way, we will be able to place that information in an objective manner in front of the PO and reviewers and justify the decision to relax the rule for the second open call. We will have now to double our efforts towards identification of new DIHs and helping SMEs willing to submit an application to find a DIH they can partner with. Cheers, Document Juanjo Hierro Chief Technology Officer juanjose.hierro at fiware.org <mailto:juanjose.hierro at fiware.org> www.linkedin.com/in/jhierro <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jhierro> Twitter: @fiware <https://twitter.com/fiware> @JuanjoHierro <https://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Insights from Open Call 1 and concrete action for your approval Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 15:08:54 +0200 From: Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at fiware.org> To: NAGY Annamaria <Annamaria.NAGY at ec.europa.eu> CC: cnect-h2020-951975 at ec.europa.eu <cnect-h2020-951975 at ec.europa.eu> Dear Annamaria, Ok. This means that most (if not all) the DIHs will prepare one application which will mean less applications but we'll have to live with it, I guess. With regards to the point on "one2one meetings" just let you know we have offered these meetings to all and we have asked them to formulate their questions in advance so that we can prepare responses that then can be shared with others, precisely following the principle that guidance should be available to all applicants in an equally and fair manner. Best regards, Juanjo On 28/9/21 17:24, NAGY Annamaria wrote: > > Dear Juanjo, > > In principal, I do not support any changes to an already published > call. This should be done only exceptionally. There is a big change > already done, i.e. the extension of deadline. Every time we change an > ongoing call, there is a risk that transparency and equal treatment > would be impaired. > > Regarding the limit of funding for DIHs, the current Guide for > Applicants states that funding received from any other similar sources > (e.g. other DT-ICT-05 projects) would be counted into the EUR 60K > limit. So I don’t see the point in raising the 18K limit for DIHs to > 40K instead. The participation in other experiments without funding is > already available for them as well. > > Also, I don’t see how this planned raise in funding can help > geographical distribution either. Instead, it would be desireable to > make effort to involve DIHs from under-represented EU member states, > to mobilize them as well. Then the applications would have an ideal > geographical balance. > > I have a problem with the offered “one2one meetings to applicants” as > well. This goes against equal treatment. Basically, the > guidance/advice you give to applicant X should be available to all the > rest of applicants, too. > > I would not change the rules at this point, but rather collect all the > lessons learnt and use them when drafting the call documentation for > the next open call. > > Many thanks and best regards, > > Annamaria > > *From:*Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at fiware.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2021 10:27 AM > *To:* NAGY Annamaria (CNECT) <Annamaria.NAGY at ec.europa.eu> > *Cc:* CNECT H2020 951975 I4TRUST <cnect-h2020-951975 at ec.europa.eu> > *Subject:* Re: IMPORTANT: Insights from Open Call 1 and concrete > action for your approval > > Dear Annamaria, > > May you give us the approval for implementing the change proposed in > my last mail regarding the Open Call ? > > As explained, we believe this may boost the number of applications. > > Thanks in advance, > > Juanjo > > On 24/9/21 13:55, Juanjo Hierro wrote: > > Dear Annamaria, > > As mentioned in my previous mail, figures regarding responses to > the first i4Trust Open Call are improving. Current statistics are: > > ·115 applicants registered in the open call management platform > (this is not really a good indicator because we know many > organizations will just register to check the complexity of the > process or just for curiosity) > > ·29 applications already include basic information (this starts to > be promising) > > ·20 applications have a consortium of DIH and SMEs already formed > (we expect that they will most likely submit their application) > > ·19 applications include already a draft description of their > experiment (these are indeed applications we expect will be submitted) > > Several applicants indeed expressed they were glad with the > extension of the call and expressed their interest to further > discuss how they could improve their applications. For this > purpose, a number of actions have been planned to make sure that > consortium which have started to work in the proposal will > finalize their process. For example: > > ·we have offered one2one meetings to applicants in order to solve > specific questions they may have > > ·we will organize a webinar on October 7th to provide hints on > design of experiments and solve general doubts > > We are also going to perform a campaign towards DIHs within the > S3 Catalogue which have not jet joined the i4Trust Community in > order to promote the Open Call, leveraging the recent announcement > about the Data Spaces Business Alliance which we hope may help to > raise their interest. > > However, one of the most valuable insights we have obtained > through direct feedback from DIHs and SMEs is that one requirement > we had established in the Open Call was creating too high barriers > for submission. Actually, we had established that DIHs would be > funded a maximum of 18 K€ per proposal *AND* they can only be > funded up to 18 K€ in all the proposals they are included (note > that consortiums are funded between 72 K€ and 120 K€ depending on > the number of SMEs involved). Since the each consortium is > required to bring a DIH, we are facing these two scenarios that > are impacting the number of proposals we may receive: > > ·Since 18 K€ is already not a large funding and DIHs are expected > to require it for covering their support in a given experiment, > DIHs are taking the option of submitting only one proposal. This > despite they are receiving request from SMEs of their community > that are interested in the call. DIHs are telling those SMEs: > "sorry, we will be submitting just one proposal, therefore we'll > have to wait for the 2nd Open Call". > > ·Since having a DIH in the consortium is a must requirement, SMEs > that got attracted by the Open Call and have a nice experiment in > mind, have to search for a DIH they may integrate in their > consortium. However, they are approaching DIHs they see part of > the i4Trust Community that may be also connected to their region > and, since they are telling them, "sorry, we are already booked" > and they cannot find easily another DIH in their region, they > finally give up > > This is not speculation but we got very concrete testimonies/cases. > > After this analysis, the i4Trust partners have come to the > conclusion that we could overcome this problem just by relaxing a > bit the requirements on DIHs as follows: *keep the funding of a > DIH per proposal limited to 18 K€, but allow them to get involved > in more than one selected proposal, provided that the maximum > funding they will gather among all experiments selected where hey > are involved is limited to 40 K€ which can be negotiated at the > negotiation phase* (that is, if they are involved in three > experiments that get selected, and placed 18 K€ of funding in > each, they will come with a proposal to adjust their funding, > based on synergies they can bring, so that the overall funding > gets limited to 40 K€) > > With this approach, we will make sure that many DIHs will > support creation of consortium for two experiments, perhaps some > of them even up to 3 or 4. > > Note that, at the end of the date, one criteria for final > selection of experiments that may have very similar scoring in > terms of excellence, implementation and impact will be > geographically distribution, therefore we believe that > introduction of this change in the requirements will not mean in > practice that out of the 16 experiments to be selected we will > have only 6 DIHs. At the end, we can expect they would be higher > number of DIHs for sure. However, we will create incentives for > submitting more applications, which willl turn into more > competition, which will lead in better quality of selected > experiments. > > Would you agree with relaxing the rule as described (in blue > bold above)? > > Looking forward your feedback and thanks in advance for a quick > response, > > -- > > *Juanjo Hierro* > > Chief Technology Officer > > juanjose.hierro at fiware.org <mailto:juanjose.hierro at fiware.org> > > www.linkedin.com/in/jhierro > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/jhierro__;!!DOxrgLBm!TiRVJicOhqs8A_B6wYhSBVPitv7W1PDyb-NA2FFtIF9uRJeViTZHw9DL98L0GuNG7GUF9Yw$> > > Twitter: @fiware > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/twitter.com/fiware__;!!DOxrgLBm!TiRVJicOhqs8A_B6wYhSBVPitv7W1PDyb-NA2FFtIF9uRJeViTZHw9DL98L0GuNGlaPp6NA$> > @JuanjoHierro > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/twitter.com/JuanjoHierro__;!!DOxrgLBm!TiRVJicOhqs8A_B6wYhSBVPitv7W1PDyb-NA2FFtIF9uRJeViTZHw9DL98L0GuNGc0k_yI0$> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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