Dear Miguel, I asked Juanjo to be more explicit about his remarks in the call. I was not either, and I understood from the Stefano feedback that he was willing to have the 10.6 included in this amendment. A final word from Juanjo is welcome and extremely useful. Juanjo, do you or not want to include the new task in this amendment as proposed by me/ENG? Do you or not agree to reserve the 11MM effort/83K funding to TID instead of ENG for further redistribution later on? Best, A. Il 09/04/2013 09:36, Miguel Carrillo ha scritto: > Dear Andrea, > > If you can please be more explicit. I am not in that call nor are the > rest of the testbed list that you are CCing. > > BR > > Miguel > > El 08/04/2013 20:40, Andrea Manieri escribió: >> Dear Miguel, >> Thanks for clarifying further. >> >> A still obscure item was those Juanjo complained about, in the today >> call, related the last proposed text/effort distribution... That >> didn't include the new task as agreed. >> >> A >> >> >> Andrea Manieri >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Miguel Carrillo <mcp at tid.es> >> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:22:04 >> To: Andrea Manieri<manieri at eng.it> >> Cc: JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA<jhierro at tid.es>; JAVIER DE PEDRO >> SANCHEZ<jdps at tid.es>; stefano de panfilis<stefano.depanfilis at eng.it>; >> 'Corte Piero'<Piero.Corte at eng.it>; >> fiware-testbed at lists.fi-ware.eu<fiware-testbed at lists.fi-ware.eu> >> Subject: Re: FI-WARE: Amendment 4 - WP10 (new version required, excel >> and word) >> >> Dear Andrea, >> >> You CC the whole WP10 so let us clarify to give them the context to >> the other partners as orderly as we can: >> >> What we will do in Amendment 4 (about to be closed & already >> consensuated with you) >> - EAB ramaining effort (11MM) and budget is fully trasfered to TID >> for the time being (we will try to provide the right explanation to >> the EC). I guess that the partners should not mind whether this goes >> to TID or ENG as long as is it a pool for future reallocation. TID >> will try to discuss it with Arian asap and before sending amendment 4 >> to make sure that there are no further iterations >> - The new task 10.6 description, related to OIL, is not included in >> this WP10 amendment. >> - A further discussion in the PCC/GA will be about addressing who, >> when and how will address this topic. >> What we will do in next amendments (to be discussed) >> - We have a draft of 10.6 (wording + contributors) but we suggest to >> later consensuate it with more calm in WP10 >> - The resource distribution is not feasible as we discussed it (we >> were forced to react too quickly and the rules that we applied in our >> discussion are not valid). I wish it was so easy... >> In any case and in summary, yes, we need to take out T10.6 of >> amendment 4 and save it for future amendments. This is subject to >> whatever surprises we may encounter when we manage to get hold of >> Arian. Our assumption is that we will come to an arrangement similar >> to this but let us see. >> >> As regards your message at 14:16 today with subject "Re: >> [Fiware-testbed] FI-WARE: Amendment 4 - WP10 (new version required, >> excel and word)", it could be the basis for the contents of amendment >> 5 (maybe this is what you mean). But as we have insisted when talking >> between ourselves, the redistribution of work does not fit in the DoW >> like that. It is not our rules, it's Arian's rules, after 3 >> amendments we know. And we cannot discuss it at this point, we need >> to close Amendment 4. Important: I have not agreed to reinclude T10.6 >> in amendment 4 (we do agree to do it in amendment 5), it would stall >> the whole amendment if we do it now. >> >> We will report back when we get an answer. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Miguel >> >> >> El 08/04/2013 13:44, Andrea Manieri escribió: >> Dear Juanjo, >> >> sorry to not being able to join the call, especially when requested >> info from me was expected. I was not aware about. >> >> Anyhow, can you tell me what's exactly is your decision about the EAB >> effort and the new task 10.6 about OIL? >> >> An initial agreeement about task description and effort >> allocation/role was achieved among Miguel and myself. Then - from the >> email below - I understood that you didn't agreed to that and you >> want to postpone the decision. >> >> I'm checking the various typos spotted by Javier and will soon send >> an amended version of WP9 and 10. Please tell me if you want me to >> insert back the 10.6 or leave it out. >> >> best, >> >> A. >> >> >> Il 05/04/2013 12:00, Miguel Carrillo ha scritto: >> Dear Andrea, >> >> I finally managed to talk to Juanjo and also to Javier de Pedro who >> just showed me the latest internal messages with him. >> >> We were initially working this way (all MM to Eng) because this was >> the agreement in the latest PCC and Eng was in favour as well. If you >> decide to change this it should not be so dramatic but I fear that we >> are acting against something agreed with more partners. On the other >> hand I do not see that they should worry that much that the funding >> goes to one coordination level or the other. >> >> Unfortunately the distribution of MM is not so simple as you think. >> We perfectly understand your view but after a few interactions with >> Arian and the EC in several amendments, the rules are not that easy >> and this is going to be endless if we start discussing a distribution >> now. >> >> Blocking the amendment for this alone would be unwise so we must find >> a solution that satisfies everyone. As it seems that putting the 11 >> MM under TID with the commitment of re-distributing later would keep >> everyone happy, we can try. I would need to talk to Arian to see if >> they do not object and how to fit it in the DoW but that is minor, I >> guess that he will help. >> >> So, in summary. Agreed that Eng is happy if we (TID) takes all the MM >> and resume the negotitation at a later stage? There is a least one >> moreone forthcoming amendment for the 2nd and 3rd Open calls. >> >> If you confirm I will try to see if the EC accepts it. A quick answer >> would be appreciated. >> >> Best regards >> >> Miguel >> El 04/04/2013 18:26, Andrea Manieri escribió: >> Dear Miguel, >> >> as I told you the issues was to assign to ENG some effort/budget with >> no clear reference to any work. Saying that is for OIL and the budget >> is just parked to ENG funding is not feasible. >> >> That was the reason to asking you the hard job to quickly come into >> an agreement for both allocating activities/responsibility and funding. >> >> I also told you that if the activity was not clear - as usual in >> other cases - should be the coordinator that keep the money in its >> budget for further allocation, as you did with open calls. >> >> Back to the point, I think, at the end, we come to a suitable >> agreement, at least from ENG perspective. >> >> I kindly ask you to verify with Juanjo for his approval and then let >> Javier finalise the budget. >> >> Later on we could address all the other missing details. >> >> Best regards, >> A >> point is that we cannot >> >> Il 04/04/2013 18:01, Miguel Carrillo ha scritto: >> Dear Andrea, >> >> I have to step in as Juanjo is under a lot of pressure according to >> my info. >> >> No. Juanjo has been unreachable these days due to the current >> situation (Arch week) and I haven't spoken to him since last week >> apart form a few seconds (and all about the Arch weeks, as you can >> imagine). When it was decided to change this the other day I was a >> bit surprised but I thought that it was somehow agreed with Juanjo or >> there was a reasonable rationale. I did not complain because I have a >> certain degree of mutual understanding with Eng after all these years >> and when you are around I try not to create more problems than >> necessary, I simply trusted you that there was a reason why. >> >> But this has to be clear. I never said that this had to be split in >> this amendment and was pretty happy with putting in Eng's hands this >> resources until the next one. I enclose one of the emails where I >> stated it. I also sent Andrea the message from Juanjo with the excel >> file distributing resources and tried to explain it. I believe that >> there is a misunderstanding here but this can be fixed now. When I >> heard that you wanted to split resources nearly in the last day, then >> I understandably needed to said that TID wanted our share as we are >> doing part of the work. In this context, I also had first >> understood that the OIL task was also for another amendment. So >> again, when Stefano showed me at the end of Monday that this was >> being added I thought that it was a bit rushed but I simply tried to >> help and not to add trouble. >> >> Maybe you understand now why I was not reacting so quickly yesterday >> (apart from other factors that I will not mention, calculating MM is >> not part of my normal duties and this was a bit unexpected for me - I >> did not have the time to pass it to the right section, but I needed >> to check internally the rates! In fact, I was forced to guess and >> made a mistake using an old rate). I know now what happened. >> >> Let us try to understand each other, this is simple if explained. It >> is not a matter or willing to contribute or not, what we are >> discussing is when to distribute the resources. And at this stage we >> were trying to simplify because this amendment is endless (there are >> many WPs and many things to deal with) >> >> Andrea, please do not see bad intentions, we are honestly trying to >> close things and to arrange everything in reasonable terms for >> everyone. It is simply that things go too fast and sometimes the info >> does not flow well. >> >> I understand that coordinating WP10 is not easy and that your >> responsibility is a bit heavy. But I would really appreciate it if >> you could try to be as flexible as you can to help Javier; Eng has >> coordinated things as complex as QualiPSo, you know how hard can it >> get sometimes. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Miguel >> >> El 04/04/2013 17:05, Andrea Manieri escribió: >> Dear Javier, >> >> please find enclosed the final version that include the missing shift >> in effort from TI (3) and rounded numbers (2) and the TID role as >> sent by Miguel yesterday. >> >> With respect the EAB effort/funding left, I'm assuming that Juanjo >> has been informed by MIguel. I understood from him that such effort >> should have been split among ENG and TID to finalise the OIL activities. >> >> If TID is not willing to contribute to the new task activities, then >> ENG can afford all the work and will take all the effort/funding of EAB. >> >> Thanks to Juanjo to clarify further, >> >> best, >> >> A. >> >> >> Il 04/04/2013 15:48, JAVIER DE PEDRO SANCHEZ ha scritto: >> Dear Andrea, I need your help again. >> >> 1.- So far today, the 11 PM from EAB-WP10 would be transferred to E-IIS. >> >> If these 11PM initially assigned to E-IIS are going to be splitted I >> need to know how many PM are going to be transferred to each involved >> partner in WP10, and of course I need the approval of Juanjo Hierro. >> If there is no a consensus yet, then we´ll have to wait for the next >> amendment to split these 11 PM. >> Please note that NEF doesn't admit decimals in PM's. >> >> 2.- The total effort in WP10 is 456 PM. Please review your excel with >> the distribution because there are 459.5 PMs. I have notice that you >> have added a new task. Maybe the problem is there. >> >> 3.- Pier is saying that his modifications are not integrate. >> >> So, I kindly ask you to send me another last version of WP10 >> according above. Could you please rename the document with a digit >> version in order to avoid misunderstandings? >> >> Thank you very much for your contribution and support. >> >> BR >> Javier. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> De: Andrea Manieri [mailto:manieri at eng.it] >> Enviado el: miércoles, 03 de abril de 2013 17:13 >> Para: JAVIER DE PEDRO SANCHEZ; stefano de panfilis; JUAN JOSE HIERRO >> SUREDA; MIGUEL CARRILLO PACHECO >> Asunto: Re: [Fiware-administrative] FI-WARE: Amenmdnet 4 (DRAFT of >> new GPF) - errata corrige bis >> >> Dear Javier, >> >> sorry, but Miguel spotted a typo in effort splitting (thanks MIguel). >> >> Please find enclosed the (hopefully) final version of WP10. >> >> Wrt funding splitting, there's an agreement to split the 83k left by >> EAB as 40/43 among ENG and TID, roghly 7,5/7 MM each. >> >> sincerely, >> >> A. >> Il 03/04/2013 17:05, Andrea Manieri ha scritto: >> Dear Javier, >> >> please find enclosed an updated version of the WP10 DoW description. >> Please consider to use this one. >> >> Take into account also that TID was the only partner, involved in the >> WP, that have not provided yet the role description. >> >> best, >> >> A. >> p.s. I recall that the allocation of the whole EAB MM left to ENG is >> not acceptable nor by TID (Miguel) and ENG. Please consider to update >> NEF accordingly, otherwise ENG will not been able to sign it. >> >> >> >> Il 03/04/2013 16:48, JAVIER DE PEDRO SANCHEZ ha scritto: >> Dear all, please find enclosed the last version of the spreadsheet >> with the changes of the amendment 4. (Thank you very much for all the >> received comments) >> >> I have updated these data on NEF, so I've attached the draft of the >> new GPF to be reviewed for all of you. Please don't sign it until we >> have delivered the final version. >> >> Please confirm you agree with both documents. >> >> Note: We are receiving the latest modifications of the DoW from the >> WPL, as soon as I have received all of them, I'll send you the >> updated DoW to be reviewed. 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